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Re: Licence of version 9.0 modules

by
InitOS GmbH, Frederik Kramer.
- 14/09/2016 16:06:56
Hi all,

i think this issue can't be discussed enough since it is crucial to the
core values of the OCA. Although, both licenses are open source, there
is a huge difference between AGPL and LGPL, whereas AGPL is a strong
copyleft license and LGPL is a week copyleft one.

Having said so, given the architecture of Odoo you could built fairly
few and minor things on top of a couple of hundred Odoo modules which
are LGPL licensed and built an entirely proprietary product with just
one proprietary module and a few lines of code and if you just used the
LGPL as is, you would be perfectly fine. 

The tendency for that is already happening since the very moment the
base modules of Odoo have been put under LGPL. I personally don't think
that this will solve any of the problems of our customers that may at
some point have or will decide to move from proprietary products to open
ecosystem such as Odoo but it will only shift the scope of the entirety
of the ecosystem to trying to monetize a sample of modules and create
what i often call vendor lock-in 2.0 just by attracting and locking in
some fools. 

The "degree of openness" (given the actual AGPL standard in the OCA
modules) and the very fact that there are strong technology partners
around the globe helps the ecosystem to flourish by shareing, not the
ability to built contemporary lock-ins. Most of the successful OCA Odoo
partners are successful because they help their customers to transform
their businesses into digitalized business, hence fueling the digital
transformation. 

So i think the lock-in of every OCA member and user shall be solely the
knowledge / expertise / processes and reputation he or she has built
over time. An no, i am not one of the RMS kind of folks, saying that
strong copyleft is always the one and only solution.

So long, kind regards and sorry for the long statement, that some may
oppose against

Frederik


Am Mittwoch, den 14.09.2016, 13:23 +0000 schrieb David Dufresne:
> Thank you all for your answers.
> 
> My intention was only to take the pulse of OCA on this matter. I am not myself in favor of using LGPL.
> 
> I think the position of OCA is clear. Sorry if it seems like a redondant subject that has already been discussed.
> 
> Regards
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graeme Gellatly" <gdgellatly@gmail.com>
> To: "contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:53:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Licence of version 9.0 modules
> 
> Do not forget the practical considerations, like that many modules came out of extra-addons, some original authors might not have CLA etc.  Think what Odoo had to do for allegedly just 2 pct of their codebase just to relicense. That's with full commit logs and history.  Now imagine that task across the OCA universe.
> 
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:40 PM Ronald Portier < ronald@therp.nl [1] > wrote:
> +1 Completely agree with Stefan.
> Op 14-09-16 om 12:23 schreef Stefan Rijnhart:
> > On 14-09-16 00:38, Eric Caudal wrote:
> >>
> >> AGPL and LGPL are to fairly open source licenses AFAIR ;) so we would
> >> not slipping into the "proprietary" world yet
> >>
> >
> > Well, a module licensed under LGPL allows a proprietary module to be
> > built on top of it. It gives these proprietary modules a distinct
> > competitive advantage over their open source dependencies and lowers the
> > return on investment in these open source contributions, which is why I
> > strongly prefer the AGPL for OCA modules.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stefan.
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