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Re: New Odoo Product Configurator Module

by
Paul Catinean
- 23/05/2016 11:24:45
Hello Frederik,

Thank you for the feedback. I aware of the colossal budgets being burned for modules such as this, by only one company, for a customized solution, that might or might not work. I got an email from a potential customer saying he pays 40.000$ a YEAR for a solution such as this outside of Odoo. And has been using it for quite some time.

If everyone pitched in a minuscule fraction of the budget for such a feature they save a tremendous amount of time firstly, a lot of money and get "support" and fixes from multiple users and developers all around instead of just one or two.

If 10 companies decide to spend 2.5K on this feature I am 100% sure they can sell implementation/customization for at least double that amount and the campaign will end in a day or two.

Regarding interest I am seeing it first hand. I've been contacted by at least 18 people since the campaign ended, from people wanting to ditch Magento for Odoo because of this, people adopting Odoo solely because of this, people wanting to migrate to version 9 because of the Product Configurator.

I have started building a documentation in the meantime both functional and technical which will ease everyone's learning curve + a lot of new features such as the backend wizard, mrp support and so on.

Regards,
Paul

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:
Hi Paul (dear others),

sorry i am a kind of busy right at the moment. That is why i am hell
late on replying your feedback (sorry for that). I am currently in
Bruxelles to attend the Odoo strategy meeting tomorrow (let's see what
they tell us new tomorrow ;-) 

Back to the matter: I really think refunding a certain amount of work
somebody concisely spent into a well elaborated feature (such as your
product configurator for Odoo) through a well-designed crowd funding
campaign really has to succeed if the feature is a baseline one that at
least a handful serious Odoo users require (i am pretty sure there are
more than just a hand full and i know 100% sure that somebody burned
more than the money you ask for from one of its customers in an an
unsuccessful attempt to solve a pretty similar problem).

If more of the 'let me call them' developing and innovating Odoo
partners join forces and activate their partner as well as customer
networks, i doubt this campaign won't succeed. As for the German part of
the community (if this really ever existed, *ashamed*) i am currently
struggling on different levels and with various different conversations
(for instance there is a campaign going on underneath with some German
partners to fund translation / localization for Odoo 9, since this is
not that well established at the moment).

One of the very important aspects in that regard to me is, if Odoo
finally opts in to a sustainable Odoo Community and that -at least to my
perspective- strongly relates to their own market strategy (we will
hopefully learn something new here tomorrow). 

In any case i will try to discuss the "crowd funding" matter as soon as
i can with the president of the OCA and my own team at initOS as well as
the German community (or lets say the partners that seem to remain
active here). I think we simply must find a sustainable and iteratable
way to better fuel community development and not so often invent the
wheal twice in every single corner of the world but we all need to also
convince Odoo that the community might be a really admirable and
sustainable source of innovation also for them.

If not i see a tremendous risk of overall project failure even if 
Odoo has secured a decent market share and traction as of today. 


So long

Frederik


Am Dienstag, den 03.05.2016, 06:53 +0000 schrieb Paul Catinean:
> Hello Frederik,
> 
> 
> Firstly thank you for the donation and great support on the campaign!
> 
> 
> Of course I am still interested in doing this, feel free to contact me
> or discuss here anything you have in mind for a second shot at
> opensourcing. I am also open for Hangout / Skype conversation if you
> want a live discussion.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Paul
> 
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Frederik Kramer
> <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:
>         Paul (and others),
>         
>         thanks for extensively discussing the matters using this mailing list.
>         Probably i didn't got it so far but would you in general still be
>         interested in open sourcing it (given your founding goals could be
>         achieved ?).
>         
>         The reason why i am asking is, that i think we could and shall use the
>         findings from the first try of crowd sourcing it and start a second
>         campaign with improved concept and even better media coverage. 
>         
>         Honestly, i am still 100% convinced that the Odoo ecosystem needs this
>         (i.e. your) feature. Proprietary modules are by no means anything that
>         is economically or strategically worth to pursue for any of the players
>         (maybe except Odoo themselves) -> i did some preliminary research backed
>         on figures here.
>         
>         I have several ideas how to do that, but all require that you would at
>         least in principle allow to give it a second try.
>         
>         Kind regards
>         
>         Frederik
>         
>         Am Montag, den 02.05.2016, 10:38 +0000 schrieb Paul Catinean:
>         > Hello all,
>         > 
>         > 
>         > David: I completely agree with you regarding the closed source model.
>         > It does have all those drawbacks I already expected and tried to
>         > avoid. I am experiencing them already and am not a fan of creating
>         > this overhead. As stated above it would have all been easier with
>         > AGPLv3.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Also agreed on starting opensource from scratch but this was a special
>         > case. I built a solution for my customer when I was inexperienced with
>         > a lot of shady code, OCA was not born and it was never intended for
>         > public use. Only when I had the idea of making it general purpose I
>         > tried it as a proof of concept not knowing whether it was possible or
>         > not. I shared the idea with a few developers that seemed uninterested
>         > and decided I will build it for myself for future projects. Then it
>         > evolved into what it is now. It was a passion project as well as a
>         > challenge to be a better coder not to get funding.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Arjan: Thank you for the message, do note that you have sent the
>         > message to the community list not my private address. Having Odoo
>         > on-board with this would be great and collaborating with them directly
>         > would have the biggest spread of all. They have not contacted me in
>         > any way since the campaign started nor did they say anything in the
>         > community that I am aware of. David who has provided one of the
>         > greatest social media support during the campaign even was nice enough
>         > to ping Fabien about the project but got no reply.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > I could only assume they were not interested in the project.
>         > Nonetheless they are more than welcome to suggest any course of action
>         > and I will approach it open minded as I do with all suggestions /
>         > criticisms.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > I will keep developing this and make it even more user-friendly and
>         > feature-rich. By the launch of V10 there is a probability that I can a
>         > good chunk my funding from private sales and crowdfund the rest or
>         > release it opensource if the entire budget is covered. 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Of course everyone who bought it previously will be added as a
>         > founder/contributor and I will design some perks for them for
>         > supporting everything.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > One last note about what you said "I am a starting Odoo service
>         > provider and did a small contribution to your great project". As a
>         > token of appreciation everyone who contributed to the campaign will
>         > get a discount equal to his contribution even though I never got the
>         > money. They gave a great deal of trust and initiative and deserve
>         > reciprocation.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Kind Regards,
>         > Paul
>         > 
>         > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, AJ Rosman <aardug@gmail.com> wrote:
>         >         Hi Paul,
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         I am a starting Odoo service provider and did a small
>         >         contribution to your great project. I like to have a low
>         >         profile in the community for the moment so I am send you this
>         >         directly and not in the community mail.
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         Is it not a possibility to do the project with Odoo to gather?
>         >         Odoo 10 will be about MRP and they always like to show off
>         >         there website possibilities, The Odoo users would benefit from
>         >         it and you do not need to fund, maintain and marketing it. Of
>         >         course I hope you get the credits and paid for all the work
>         >         done and need to be done. 
>         >         A few months before I had a lead who was willing to pay at
>         >         least 5.000-10.000 euro for this. We lost the lead because the
>         >         configurator was just what he needed and was not there. So in
>         >         a few months if Odoo 10 is launched a new campaign could be
>         >         effective if the right customers are atttract by odoo10. Now
>         >         you know OCA would be helpfull from the start.  I certainly
>         >         would donate again. 
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         Thx for all the efforts you made and I hope to see a new
>         >         campaign to make this work 
>         >         
>         >         Kind regards,
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         Arjan Rosman
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         Sales - Owner 
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         Mobiel: 06 55820951
>         >         Email:  arosman@aardug.nl
> > > > > > > > > > > > Reggestraat 79 > > Tel: 0547 389020 > > 7468 EJ Enter > > Email: info@aardug.nl > > Nederland > > Website: www.aardug.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Op dinsdag 15 maart 2016 heeft Paul Catinean > > <paulcatinean@gmail.com
> het volgende geschreven: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In the past couple of years Odoo has grown very > > powerful and the community along with it. With a > > flexible software base like Odoo which expands > > everyday I write to you now in hope that as a > > community we can shape and grow it even more. > > > > > > As we all know the product template design that Odoo > > V8 and V9 relies on has it’s ups and downs and can be > > difficult to work with in some cases. Especially when > > it comes to product variants in the manufacturing > > sector and custom designs. > > > > > > Having dealt with these shortcomings in the past 3 > > years I have managed to create Odoo’s first working > > Product Configurator. > > > > > > By now it manages to integrate all the tools needed > > for anyone to build custom products. Developed and > > tested on multiple databases simultaneously, the > > Product Configurator can be extended for any type of > > business and seamlessly integrates with the Odoo > > E-shop. This strengthens the connection between > > backend and frontend and makes the entire platform > > more powerful and versatile. > > > > > > This major effort has been made in an attempt to > > launch the module suite as a generic and flexible > > solution for the Odoo platform. With it we can extend > > Odoo's reach into a new segment of users drawing in > > more projects and developers alike. > > > > > > Initial development of the customer specific version > > (that started for custom made flagpoles) spans to > > about two years. On top of the customer funded project > > another 1000 hours were invested in converting the > > module suite from project-specific to a generic and > > extensible version. > > > > > > Contact with OCA has been made in regards to this > > project and members of the board have expressed their > > interest. Our intention is to include the module suite > > into the OCA repositories as AGPL V3, free for anyone > > to distribute, use and especially contribute. > > > > > > Starting today I have launched an Indiegogo campaign > > to fund the time spent converting the module. This has > > been made entirely in the interest of applying it to > > multiple businesses and sharing it with the community. > > I would be very pleased to bring this project to life > > and continue this journey with you by my side to > > sustain it. > > > > > > Please checkout and share the campaign video that > > explains the addressed isues and features offered: > > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/odoo-product-configurator
> > > > For > further details feel free the visit our brand new > > website (Fully developed in Odoo of course) > > https://www.pledra.com
> > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > Paul Catinean > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing-List: > > http://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15
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