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Re: 9.0 Community User Interface

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andi
- 24/11/2015 12:56:38
@Nhomar

We (as community) are the gulties of push odoo SA to close more and more... and our customers also, just because we "think" we deserve the "community edition" we have years fighting against a mega-monster which is the "investment", IMHO if every single one of us buy and enterprise or a partnership in the community Odoo will have better profit and better income.... but now the bad is done... simply Buy closed or Live on community....

I hope you don't believe that what you just wrote.

There are lots of examples of even ERP systems which have simply a more community friendly business model. Changing always the Licenses is never a good solution. Integrating sniffing and phoning home stuff is even worse and can harm open source software in general.

Investment is never ever a Mega Monster.

If the community would be clever, they already would have lots of investors themselves and would not depend on Odoo S.A, Investors and their Enterprise ideas.

Google as well as Microsoft, IBM, Dell, HP, Cisco etc p.p. and many other huge companies sponsor and invest in Open Source Development.

We just had a discussion with customers which actually were very interested in Odoo after we had shown them the benefits, But as a honest company we had to tell them also the bad stuff.

Fazit:

They like the website builder, they are even confident with the way userrights get managed (even we were not so confident at all places) They liked the way the people from the website would be managed directly in teh same system for sending out newsletters, doing marketing campaigns etc.

BUT and that is a HUGE but, and one even asked us how we could propose him that system at all - he actually liked it a lot before.

The point was that the phone home functionality is DEFAULT and integrated into the core and actually nobody knows what information gets send out to Odoo S.A. and what they do with all that information. Especially this point was a NoGo for 2 of them we talked to day and they were referring to the newest EU Decision concerning The Safe Harbor agreement.

Another point of bigger critics was the editor of the website builder and that it is producing html code which is not accessible and actually harming accessibility of website. Especially for most NGO and Governmental websites accessibility is a must and also the accessibility for people who work in the backend. Unfortunately Odoo seems to be way behind the standards here. Sad.

One point of critics was also the social media stuff gets integrated by default.I demonstrated them actually how easy it could be removed but they did not like the idea that the system by default enables all that stuff and that there is no easier way to simply tell the system that a link to google, facebook etc is not appreciated i.e. in the slides (Presentation) Module which they liked a lot.

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All these points were discussed already multiple times here and we are still waiting for a feedback what data gets collected and for what purpose. etc.

If now the community would simply start to stand on their own feed than I am pretty pretty sure that you will get even bigger investors than Odoo S.A. by simply providing an Open Source System without phone home functionality which is not only mobile responsible 100% but also 100 accessible for people with disabilities. You would be able to run a multitude of governmental projects with this branch of Odoo.

Unfortunately \it looks like many here are Partners -which means Blind Followers of Odoo which seem not even be able to say a constructive word which would conflict with the over all Odoo S.A. Business Strategy. This is so said if the most people in the community act actually not much different than those three monkeys you'll see on many occasions where civil courage gets promoted.





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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Houssine BAKKALI <houssine.bakkali@gmail.com> wrote:
not sure if it's the right thread for continuing this very interesting  discussion.

but what answer the community could give without knowing the targeted profitability of Odoo SA which probably depends on the ones of the venture capitalists that put millions $ in Odoo SA

2015-11-24 8:53 GMT+01:00 Nhomar Hernandez <nhomar@vauxoo.com>:

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Luis Felipe Miléo <mileo@kmee.com.br> wrote:
For example the picture above is a instance with sale, purchase, project, hr and some website modules.

<img src="cid:f63a1d0ab719a984ffceb33b2395f24aff886f34@zimbra" data-mce-src="cid:f63a1d0ab719a984ffceb33b2395f24aff886f34@zimbra">

Compared to v8 we have a big increase of top menus and blue link of "Dashboard" (for eg: https://github.com/odoo/odoo/blob/db68f9c4be6f8b09a4445df5f8ff55312c6fb377/addons/project/project_view.xml#L588)

I am agreed (not against your point).

But an issue should be more useful than a generic complain (well that's my opinion)

On my side in an organized way I tested several features (almost all community ones) on new sales and purchase processes and all of them where answered (even if not solved because some conceptual differences between my point of view and theirs).

My point is that if you have specific complains about usability on community edition, instead say "it is because the enterprise" In you plac I should prepare a document with all points and try to 1.- Solve my self. 2.- Discuss one by one with odoo SA.

IOH (commercially and strategically speaking), completly OT, you can stop read here if you do not want read a flame.

We (as community) are the gulties of push odoo SA to close more and more... and our customers also, just because we "think" we deserve the "community edition" we have years fighting against a mega-monster which is the "investment", IMHO if every single one of us buy and enterprise or a partnership in the community Odoo will have better profit and better income.... but now the bad is done... simply Buy closed or Live on community....

And listen well, I am talking about "We" not complaining about others I am part of this community and I supose I made some errors also.

Fabien was very clear, he changed his mind a lot since the begining, and being honest, may be me in Fabien's shoes should do the same.

When you invest millions in something and simply people think they "deserve" my job just because "yes, I do!" I should take the same position.

Today we continue working so hard to stay open, but mantain >500 modules + OCA one's + community Odoo's edition needs to be paid, and I do not find other way that sale the "right" to receive support and access....

Do you know another way?

And read carefully, it is not a matter of open or closed (I think Open) it is a matter of "who pays for what and when".

Regards.

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Nhomar Hernandez
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