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Re: Guidelines for LLM generated contributions

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Mint System GmbH, Janik von Rotz
- 24/09/2025 10:17:48

Hi Quentin

I agree with everything you mention here. Let's not fall for the narrative of OpenAI.

Your personal take would be more suitable to be discussed in this thread: https://odoo-community.org/groups/contributors-15/contributors-2145247

I suggest to separate further discussions for a technical solution and community ideals on this topic. 

Regards, Janik

On 9/24/25 10:02 AM, Quentin Dupont wrote:

Hello,

I agree with having changes in Guidelines to disclose LLM usage as in Ghostty project, thanks for the proposal

Raphaël telling "it is not going to stop any time soon..." are pure supposition and I think it's also part of the narrative of OpenAI etc. to let us think that this is inevitable.
No one can predicte futur so we can say if it's going to happen or not.

That's why we can start adding this guidelines and adjust in future times.
I think that's the bare minimum.
Personally, I would be in favor of adding a line to mention the disastrous consequences of these technologies, such as: 
Most LLM technologies are based on the exploitation of infinite resources, while we are already dying from not having enough drinking water for everyone, modern slavery, and the takeover of our private lives by capitalist giants. With great responsibility comes great power: let's code less, code better, document more, and cooperate more.

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This email thread contains other subjects so I will provide my point of view

This technologies and all technologies are based on mega structure deeply linked with capitalism
Do we want to depend on technologies that are so costly in terms of water and energy in a world where resources are inevitably becoming increasingly scarce?

Do we want to depend on technologies based on data theft, forced labor, and modern slavery?
It seems to me more ethical and even more pragmatic to work on tools that are resilient/robust in the face of current crises. (Like oca-port indeed!)

Also, are we going to fall for it again, thinking that it's wonderfully free? 
For example, even Fabien Pickaers says so in the latest Micode video interview: currently, Odoo covers the cost of calls to ChatGPT, but tomorrow, it will probably be a paid service. 
Depending on such a non-free (non-open source) tool also means proletarianizing ourselves, making us more enslaved to technology, even though the goal of open source is to emancipate ourselves as much as possible with tools that we have learned to modify and hack.
But I feel like I'm digressing from the main topic :D

Have a great day

Quentin


PS : some articles about AI bubble


Le 23/09/2025 à 21:52, Pierre Verkest a écrit :
I agree with Daniel.

Blog posts (the second is linked in the first) inspiring me recently on this topic: https://www.bitecode.dev/p/the-kids-are-alright

Regards,
Pierre


Le mar. 23 sept. 2025 à 10:41, Stuart J Mackintosh <notifications@odoo-community.org> a écrit :

+1

On 23/09/2025 10:28, Daniel Reis wrote:
Hello all,

It begs the question of what is "AI generated code".
AI can assist code writing from code completion suggestions, to full design and code writing.
Or just assist with code reviews or issue resolution, without writing code.

In the end AI is just a tool.
Irresponsible use can happen with AI or any other automation tool.

What really matters is the behavior of people using these tools.
I feel that we might need a guideline regarding responsible use of automated tools, including AI, rather than specifically for AI use.
This could be fitted into a code of conduct for the community.

Thanks
Daniel

On 18/09/2025 08:41, Stefan Rijnhart wrote:
Dear all,

at least one contributor is planning again to flood the OCA projects 
with PRs for module migrations: https://github.com/OCA/web/issues/3285. 
This volume is likely made possible through automation, with an LLM 
generating the actual migration code (on top of, hopefully, a more 
deterministic tool like OCA's odoo-module-migrator).

Regardless of the volume and the submitter, if the submitter has 
reviewed, refined and tested the code generated by an LLM, this should 
not be a problem but as a reviewer I'd like to know what I can expect. 
Holger Brunn pointed out to me that in other projects, this may be 
covered by a demand in the guidelines to disclose LLM usage and its 
extend. For an example, see 
https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/pull/8289/files.

I would very much like to see such an addition to the OCA guidelines. 
Additionally, I would like to suggest that the basic premise (the 
generated code is indeed first self-reviewed, refined and tested) is 
also made explicit, and that it is unacceptable to pass on reviewer 
comments to the LLM only to copy back the LLM's response (which has 
happened to me on one or two occassions).

Can I have a temperature check for your support for such an addition to 
the guidelines? Or do you have other ideas or perspectives on the matter?

Cheers,
Stefan



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