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Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not ?

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IT IS AG, Joerg Lorenz.
- 30/04/2021 10:18:22

Hi Fred: 


Since the barbecue season is just coming up - or has started with us - I try to compare with the topics you brought up


- Some are swearing on a char coal grill - for the taste and heat

- Some are rather more keen on gas grill - simpler handling, quicker install, little to clean.

- Some are using electric power, very clean, easy, no fossile fuel


and


- some have a table grill, totally sufficient for two people, quick setup, easy to clean

- some use a big grill for friends and family - more stuff in parallel on the flames

- some have a smoker and really can do big things at once, with marvellous taste


At that stage - mouthwatering already -  you got choices - which is great.


But if your solution is too small, to big - or if you have no fuel or electricity because you want to grill in the park, you might run out of luck with your particular choice. 


We did our due diligence mainly on versatility on scalability of transaction and messaging products, as we want to learn and integrate just once and use many times.

For us, we rather pick a great "foreign language" product over a poor one with the same programming language as the ERP for a platform strategy which is really enterprise ready.   

After all, it is an open source solution and we did not have a hard time yet implementing it about 34 times now.


And since we own two redundant, highly automated data centers and VM templates to be turnkey, setup - as always - is a breeze 


The sun is out, have a great barbecue, and some good beer, too. 


Cheers, Joe

Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>
An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <contributors@odoo-community.org>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 14:22:07
Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not ?

Hi Joe, 

on the first glance that seems to be a reasonable choice. I wonder why
we were heading for an entire ESB as that comes at quite some cost and
overhead in maintaince not to say often a undesirable Java stack ;-)
and not ONLy a message broker in the beginning ?

Did you really need all the environmental functionality and complexity
of an ESB ?

Best Frederik 

Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 12:11 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:


> Hi Fred: 


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> Thanks for your swift reply.


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> On your question: 


> After making a shootout between various candidates, we ourselves had


> chosen WSO2 (formelry called ESB, now is EI).


> Reason is its plugable structure, business critial shape, it stands


> up for high volume transaction processing (actually Ebay.com with one


> billion transactions is run on its engine, see 


> https://wso2.com/about/customers/ebay/ ) and it is open source. 


> Best, Joe


> Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>


> An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <


> contributors@odoo-community.org>


> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 12:46:51


> Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or not


> ?


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> Hi Joe, 


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> thanks for the valuable feedback. Indeed i wasn't too specific on the


> scenario but its quite unlikely that an order in that business case


> is 


> more than 10 items (standard only 1-2 is guess). However all


> considerations with decoupling checkout from logisics and financial


> fail in our case (a least without further design changes) because the


> entire physical / financial transaction needs to be accomplished and


> book in less than 10min. But of course a solid message broker


> architektur would be something that would be really helpful for the


> Odoo ecosystem. Which Message bus do you prefer in your scenarios and


> for what reason, if i may ask


> 


> Best Frederik


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> Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 10:37 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:


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> > Hi Fred: 


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> > instead of looking into the amount of orders, I would rather look


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> > into the amount of lines per order containing items (excluding the


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> > This is the key performance measure.


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> > If the order line volume is resonable (1-3 on average on an online


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> > order), then die 30 to 50 a minute is a hands down job, because,


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> > there is no posting involved, just stock reservation. Question


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> > If you like we can talk more on your requirements by phone. 


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> > In very high volume sceanrios we did, like with some 20000 orders a


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> > batched in the the ERP for processing (we did this for DHL for all


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> > barcode scanners of Deutsche Post service men in Germany, rond trip


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> > Best Joe


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> > Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>


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> > An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <


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> > contributors@odoo-community.org>


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> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 09:52:11


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> > Betreff: Re: 30 Checkout Operations per Minute A job for Odoo or


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> > Hi Joel, hi Jordi, 


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> > thanks for your valuable answers. For the time being we don't


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> > know about the real scenarios as this is a bolt pitch claim of a VC


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> > Am Donnerstag, den 29.04.2021, 07:32 +0000 schrieb Joël Grand-


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> > > > > approx. 30 checkout transactions per minute. Has anybody got


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> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer


> Geschäftsführer


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> initOS GmbH


> An der Eisenbahn 1


> 21224 Rosengarten


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> Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12


> Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10


> Mobil:  +49 179 3901819


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> Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com


> Web:   www.initos.com


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> Geschäftsführung:


> Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke


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> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken


> Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226


> Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247


> USt-IdNr.: DE815580155


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-- 
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer
Geschäftsführer
        
initOS GmbH
An der Eisenbahn 1
21224 Rosengarten
        
Phone:  +49 4105 56156-12
Fax:    +49 4105 56156-10
Mobil:  +49 179 3901819
        
Email: frederik.kramer@initos.com
Web:   www.initos.com
        
Geschäftsführung:
Dr.-Ing. Frederik Kramer & Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Torsten Francke

Sitz der Gesellschaft: Rosengarten – Klecken
Amtsgericht Tostedt, HRB 205226
Steuer-Nr: 15/200/53247
USt-IdNr.: DE815580155

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