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Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store

by Alexey Pelykh <alexey.pelykh@gmail.com> - 10/06/2020 13:42:26
If I got correctly, vision of some participants is that majority of OCA contributors / module authors would be happy to drop almost-free (except the maintenance part) marketing channel of Odoo Apps Store which I doubt is the case. Even if some modules are blacklisted or fail to publish, having something there is better than having nothing.

On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:37, Frederik Kramer <frederik.kramer@initos.com> wrote:

Hi Joe, 

yes, these are all very valid points. I didn't like the whole
app store concept from the beginning but its in the interest of
Odoo S.A. to control the customer base and the money flow. It we want
to continue using the plattform as means to spread the OCA as "the"
real community behind Odoo, we probably have to play the game to a
certain degree. Otherwise Odoo will continue to build and "control" an
own non-idependent community.

To me that would finally be the end of all Open Source in Odoo.
Ultimate control and power to exclude is something you strive for if
you would like to maximize producer surplus and probably most valuable
with regard to S.A. overall economic strategy but it is against the
values and core essence of Open Source that strives to at least better
balance producer and consumer surplus (i.e. reaching real market
efficiency)

Best Frederik

Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:

> +1

> Possible approach, in particular to get funds into the OCA

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> Questions remaining:

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> 1. odoo s.a. gets the money first and keeps 30% commission, as you

> might know

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> 2. the reporting of s.a. (was or is) "lousy".

> We had to chase after our sales for 1,5 years. Proven case were never

> reported and just turned up by accident (People were asking about

> support with us, and therefore the tracing was possible)

> I think our story is well known. 

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> 3. OCA modules still available for free in the OCA app store? 

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> In contrast:

> If OCA is off the app store, will people not have the issue to know

> about OCA even more? Is OCA strong enough? 

> See our contribution about marketing and "OCA as a brand " @ OCAdays

> 2019

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> BR, Joe

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> Von: "frederik kramer" <frederik.kramer@initos.com>

> An: "Odoo Community Association, (OCA) Contributors" <

> contributors@odoo-community.org>

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2020 12:02:06

> Betreff: Re: OCA Repositories in Odoo Apps Store

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> However, this burden is induced by purpose i guess. The OCA and its

> modules are still not conceived as added valuable for the strategy of

> Odoo S.A but probably rather as a strategic threat. 

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> That is a pitty but i am afraid that will -if it will- change only

> when

> S.A. desperately needs the OCA to survive. That won't probably happen

> that soon.

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> I do definitely agree with Pedro. Most of what you can "buy" on the

> Odoo App store is crap (at least from a technical and architectural

> perspective). But its nicely displayed crap and mostly decently

> priced.

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> There is only one measure i could think of to play the game. The OCA

> as

> collective code owner may "sell" their modules in the official app

> store as well and use the money to do the marketing to get listet

> there

> (i.e. maintaining the html pages) and a surplose to fund code sprint

> whereas the very same modules can be downloaded "free" in the OCA

> store. 

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> The effect is. People that just don't care (i.e. mostly freeriders

> anyway) will pay a fee that helps the OCA to do the "artwork" and

> "sustain". Informed people use the OCA app store. 

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> An important downside of it all is, that S.A. earns commission with

> that (but hey who cares if freeriders pay part of the price as

> commission) 

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> And don't get me wrong its just an idea how to handle the strategy of

> Odoo that might not be well perceived by a majority of contributors

> and

> therefore not applicable. In that regard i'd be interested in the

> take

> of long term heavy contributors (like Pedro) what thay think about

> this

> strategy?

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> Best Frederik

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> Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2020, 07:27 +0000 schrieb Roussel, Denis:

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> > A good subject for OCA sprint !

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> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:22 AM Georg Notter <

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> > georg.notter@agenterp.com> wrote:

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> > > I also agree pedro is right  \uD83D\uDC4D\uD83C\uDFFB

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> > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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> > > We look forward to see you. Best Regards

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> > > Dipl. Ing. (Fh) Georg Notter

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> > > Agent ERP GmbH

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> > > www.agenterp.com

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> > > > Am 10.06.2020 um 09:18 schrieb David Beal <

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> > > > david.beal@akretion.com>:

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> > > > Pedro convinced me.

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> > > > While we have an automatic html file generated dedicated for

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> > > > appstore, we could update it to add a generic ribbon at the

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> > > > to invite people to visit oca store to find the whole

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> > > > Bonne journée

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> > > > David BEAL - akretion.com

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> > > > Chef de projet

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> > > > Odoo Développement / Intégration

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> > > > Le mer. 10 juin 2020 à 09:01, Roussel, Denis <

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> > > > > - All the maintenance burden we need to do for being there

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> > > > only publishing, but maintaining a special HTML file for having

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> > > > the same README displayed there, and many more). Personally

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> > > > year that I was in charge of this I accounted 30 hours only for

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> > > > > And personally I don't think the visibility we get is

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> > > > enough. I prefer to spend that time spreading our own Apps

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