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Re: 9.0 Community User Interfaceby
Thanks - nobody is against you and we not at all and you are not wrong but you depend the same way like all the other so called Partners which got glued with a mouth tape.
Have a look to the list how often people are asking for some information from Odoo s.a.
and actually they don't get any answers which would be important to know long time before things are happening.
GPL to AGPL Change
AGPL to LGPL Change
LGPL to ???? Change
Python 2.7 >> Python 3.4
MRP Module of Odoo S.A, even a new Module is already in growing by OCA - which means no coordination with Odoo S.A. so what is this new MRP all abot ? Proprietary software at the end with ideas from the community?
I also see more and more people posting modules for Version 9 under LGPL - I guess they don't know that they courl keep AGPL for their own safety and their jobs.
Not talking about phoning home and branding or simple web standards like accessibility or real html5 code in editors.
If things will be able to be changed than it will be done ONLY by the community. The community will be much more powerful than Odoo S.A. but I guess many have never realized that.
This is exactly the best solution - making a OCA fork without being a slave which does not even knows what is coming next.
Reducing the Modules to only those who need to be installed to get Odoo up and running.
Doing this actually Odoo 9 would be AGPL as most of the modules and code used in that phase is AGPL!!!
Than start adding and transferring the other moduyles and make them running in the non branded non phoning home OCA branch.
Think about the time safer you would have if you don't have to worry about this malware and branding functionality.
Think about what it would mean to propose a feature or improvement and seeing it working by the community members.
And don't forget to invite Odoo S.A, to join that effort as a normal partner of OCA and not vice versa.
At the end you will have again a product which is trust worthy and can be used even in EU regulatory surroundings without fear to be fined for including malware which is phoning home or probably even doing more stuff we have not discovered until now.
Start making Odoo that what it was when it was Tiny - a Free Open Source Product with FREE as Freedom.
As AGPL can be combined with LGPL and GPL version 3 it won't be a problem to use all current modules in the OCA "naked module" branch
Simply treat all Odoo modules as OCA modules like any other module. If people like to install it they can install it, if not they won't need to even upload it.
This would make Odoo again a very lean and clean System.
Than build up groups which take care - simply group the specialists.
Out of them setup a team which takes care for security and quality of contributions.
Bring in OCA Coding standards - improve them. This would make Odoo communty Branch much more powerful than the Enterprise version.
Each ODOO S.A. Module could be adjusted to the OCA needs which means i.e. in website builder with no need to eliminate the /page/ path element - as it would work automatically. etc.
The real power of Odoo lies not in Odoo S.A. - it lies in its community and this is each one of you who are reading here incl. those from Odoo S.A. who read here. Staying together as Community with a clear goal to make Odoo even more stronger than any Enterprise Version will bring success and prosperity for everyone without the need to pay partner fees and getting a tape to shut up for free.
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Nhomar Hernandez <email@example.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Raphaël Valyi <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:Akretion is probably among the top 15 worldwide partners who sold the most Enterprise contracts in value to Odoo SA these last 6 years. Still what is the long term benefit of that? Nearly nothing. Since 2011 they made it clear that if you decrease the money stream just a little bit they will try to screw you make us loose R&D investment worth hundreds of USD to illude themselves with companies that never last more than 1 year on this market and bringing them only a fraction of such investment... It became a sick addiction for little real service and added value... Today the system is sick...@Raph.You know we also comply with such description, If one localization is Ugly ans NO profitable is the Venezuela's Once.... (It is as complx as Brazilian one but NO dollars to ask for it is all country with the biggest example of bad-socialism in the world).Then said that:You are right, even I can say Andrea is right, but you can not say I am wrong, absolutly.You can not say that is better do what you do (mantain secret technology just because it gives you "competitive advantage") or as tryton people does "Mantain 10 years the same technology, re-write is bad".Then I am not saying you two are wrong, but you need to accept that IF 100% of partners would worked with Odoo as you and US (and take other few examples) we should be in other position today.Even if you ar right "AND PLEASE READ WELL I M NOT AGAINST YOUR POINTS", you must accept that like us only 10 or maximun 15 partner aroung the world worked in the same way technically and maximiun 20 or 30 economically.... "Hell, that's not enought!!!!"Think and sell the idea the 30 good samaritans and the X integration with Y technilogy with no-support services around, can manage the E-COmmerce of a multibillion e-commerce company....Even I we decided Locomotive, achieve the deal I mentioned should take exactly the same effort... It is just the platform and the technology, everybody knows with the correct project management you can convert the ugliest framework in the best "whatever".....My point here is that Being "against " Odoo SA because we do not agree with the commercial strategy and put every single bug a "TAG" of "This is because the enterprise"... REALLY do not help.I think and repeat again...IMAGINE: 1000 Community members paying "no-complains" just because the tool exists, and asking for features and Odoo's / Creators services, creating not just a "COmmunitary" healthy environment even a "commercial" healthy environment.... "How it should be?"...... May be OCA is that place, or not, may be help a business model grows up is better.... or not.... I do not know honestly....In read carefully, I do not like the increase of price, I am agreed technically we can have a lot of issues, and I do beleive we lost from time to time a lot with odoo SA changes you raph ara right (we talked a lot privatelly about that).... BUt you can not say 100% of gulty is because "the stupid Fabien and the Evil Odoo SA", you and me know that the fact of the increasing number of Leechers which come here asking for ALL with even invest 1 dollar on a training with Odoo SA (or put here whatever creator on community) make damage also.... and Customers which use odoo since 2, 3, 4, X years, and when you ask fo 1000 dollars they say "Why, isn't that free=?" when they saved thousands or millions on profit just because they choose the right tool, when you read people complaining about one change between versions with even try to pay 1 dollar to the right person is not part of the problem?.Even yourself are living the "leecher" issue in brazil where people took your work and put a rename on all of it and resell it.Whts the difference here between them and you in terms of arguments?I mean.... Not only 1 person/group has made mitakes here... that's my point.