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Re: Effective Org

Acsone SA/NV, Denis Roussel
- 24/04/2020 21:00:56
Hi all,

My two cents on this.

I think everyone is free to choose the solution that fits his needs. 

Debate is always welcome if you are curious about what is happening around.

Each one has pro's and con's. Make the exercise of putting each solution arguments in each column, if you are in a prospective or change of mind. Then, choose. On an humoristic note, I saw Matrix recently and the only thing this is about is the choice.

If you are looking monolithic applications, you maybe want ErpNext (As for context, I'm not aware about details of these - just for examples quoted before in this thread), if you want more closed applications, SAP, and so on...

But if you like customization openness(I'm aware this is not a pro for you) due to the framework Odoo offers, then choose it. Even if everyone does not agree on every Odoo's choice, you have always the one to bypass it.

And one day if the scale tilts on the other side, feel free to change.

So, take care and have a nice weekend to all!

Le ven. 24 avr. 2020 à 20:36, David Arnold <> a écrit :

BTW, I consider weirdo DSL and NIH as a way to subdue your innocent brain into imprisonment: of course no vendor lock-in / oss! Ha! Even better: lock the whole community in, how about that? Feels like cheated, yep it does. There are so many better and more useful and productive tecnologies out there, than what comes with Odoo. And notnonly for the baked in business logic, seems we have a worthy alternative with ERP Next.

And just very few people complain about the semantic shift Odoo SA has brought about the plain english word "partnerhisp". I'm in a partnership with my wife, with my clients, with my supply chain. With Odoo? - Nah, though the company leading the ecosystem still keeps calling it that.

El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, David Arnold <> escribió:
All true, frustration and flexibility.

But let's make a point here, ¿Aren't there really better alternatives?

As a consequence of that frustration, I read through half of the codebase of ERP Next the last few hours, through the whole documentation and made a first end to end test on the demo instance. And I just realized: I probably mis-spend 5 years of work on the wrong product/ecosystem. All that is a PITA in odoo from deployment to business workflows, it seams already there. Solved.

I'd dare a comparision, an average USD 20k project would probably go about for USD 8k with ERP Next in terms of usability, customer "hygene factor" expectations and developer experience (less wierdo DSL and NIH syndrome around).

My wife, an absolute power user of Odoo likes it better, too. She sais, she loves that it's clean and simple. Yes! All (!) users where effectively complaining about the bad usability of Odoo (EE by the way).

REST Api included, no "glue" module complexitiy bullshit. Just beutiful monolithic apps - feature complete! Period. Extensible? - Hell yes, but without Ox complexity on module interdependence management. As I said: precious time can be spent on more revarding aspects of life. ;-)

Make it complement with a decent matrix protocol server for chat and omnichannel, and we are getting somewhere without all the hassel.

For the SAP lovers: you know that "bring values from <doctype>? I once made a lengthy issue on github about transversal data mobility in Odoo. Yeah, man. It just has it. Global search? Yes! Automated cups printing? Yes!

A vue.js+electron powerd desktop app framework? Yes!

dodoo and and dockery-odoo and all that tooling I once embarked writing, competing with others like acsone and tecntiva for the best tecnical implementations and ideas (within the odoo box), out of the frustration of odoo's misbehaving? Obsolete, hell yeah!

If you, dear reader, mind: do me a favour, try ERP Next for the ERP and or for your communication and google drive replacement (!) (internal, and for the audacious external omnichannel as well). You might result with a better managed (manageable) company!

Tell me about your journey, a little educated ranting is helpful and feels good sometimes.

Best Regards,

David A.

El viernes, 24 de abril de 2020, Daniel Reis <> escribió:
I would say Odoo greatest strength lies in it's flexibility, and we can 
make it work for radically different businesses.

The base addons give you a foundation for essential business processes, 
such as order-to-cash.
And the framework gives you the tools to add layers on top of those base 
features to support whatever is your specific business needs, or even 
extend to incorporate specialized tools that work better for your industry.

So Odoo is a good generalist to fit the system of record role, and most 
of your non essential functions.
For specialized function, bring in (and integrate) whatever the 
best-of-breed tools your business requires.

A common example:
If for your an eCommerce is a nice to have, using the Odoo one is a 
great asset.
If you business is primarily eCommerce and has decent volume, then 
consider integrating something else, or do some significant investment 
in Odoo customization development.

Use the right tool for the right job.
The trick is to understand what jobs are good for Odoo.


On 24/04/2020 04:22, David Arnold wrote:


> Audacious theoreme:



> For an effective organization, drop odoo for keybase alltogether.


> After all, organizations are made of people, right?


> Odoo's fundamental process model is too stiff for organic business growth.


> Odoo's omnichannel conversational capabilities are weak. It's general 

> conversational capabilities are week, too.


> And are there chances your business is not a Jon Doe table factory, 

> like one plate, four legs, you know...


> Conclusion: integrate odoo as a backend into your tools landscape, but 

> drive your business growth elsewhere.


> .


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